Subject: RE: Claims of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Qadiani
From: "Ali Abbas" <qureshi.az>
Date: 1997/11/07
Message-ID: <63v6cn$j8>
Newsgroups: soc.religion.islam
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Assalam o alaikum to the reader
I visited your site, Tariq and will comment on one aspect of the quotations
that were shared with us. Before that, certainly the site is dedicated
towards
dispelling the incorrect beliefs that are held for the followers of Ghulam
Ahmed. In view of this statement, how well do those quoations hold, when
their understanding and knowledge of others beleifs are not even correct to
begin with.
And I will share just one piece with you
``The genuineness of the fatwa, Ex. D.E. 13, by
the Deobandis which says that Asna Ashari
Shias are kafirs and murtadds, was questioned
in the course of enquiry, but Maulana Muhammad
Shafi made an inquiry on the subject from Deoband,
and received from the records of that institution the
copy of a fatwa signed by all the teachers of the Darul
Uloom, including Maulana Muhammad Shafi himself
which is to the effect that those who do not believe
in the sahabiyyat of Hazrat Siddiq Akbar and who are
qazif of Hazrat Aisha Siddiqa and have been guilty of tehrif
of Quran are kafirs. This opinion is also supported by Mr
Ibrahim Ali Chishti who has studied and knows his subject.
He thinks the Shias are kafirs because they believe that
Hazrat Ali shared the prophethood with our Holy Prophet.
He refused to answer the question whether a person
who being a Sunni changes his view and agrees with the
Shia view would be guilty of irtidad so as to deserve the death
penalty. According to the Shias all Sunnis are kafirs, and
Ahl-i-Quran, namely, persons who consider hadith to be
unreliable and therefore not binding, are unanimously kafirs,
and so are all independent thinkers. The net result of
all this is that neither Shias nor Sunnis nor Deobandis nor Ahl-i-Hadith
nor Barelvis are Muslims and any change from one ......
Hence this extensive inquiry found that if the fatwas of the ulama are
relied
upon to determine whether a sect is Muslim or kafir, then no sect at all
will
be left which could be called Muslim.
My response:
Since was beleif in the 'sahabiyat' of Abu Bakr (ra) considered a matter of
faith? If you read into the proceedings of Saqifa there were many of those
who rejected
his claim to the caliphate, and yes the work of al Tabari will suffice. And
since
when do the Shia ascribe to the beleif that Imam Ali (AS) shared the
prophethood with
the Prophet (PBUH&HF)?
And you also share 'According to Shias all Sunnis are kafirs'? Since when
did this dawn on the compiler of this work? Have you or the compiler of the
work read the
fatwas of al Azhar, the risalahs of grand Ayatollahs, al Khui, Seestani
Khumayni (ra)
etc? By Allah, this is a blatant lie!!
I even saw this reference to the proclamation of decreeing the Sunnis as
Kafir by the Ithna Ashari on the Ahmadiyya Web site. This is certainly
FALSE.
The position taken by the psuedo scholar and his understanding of the Shia
school of thought, makes a laughing stock of the material that has been
used as a
source of reference. To present this material as potent proof, and then
also offer
what the site contains, doesn't speak well and high of the credibility of
the
sources and the references.
To portray this stance that when all the other sects have declared one
another as kafirs, the Ahmadiyya wishes to bring to light the very tolerant
attitude
that they offer. Certainly guised in a scholarship that very well ignores
and sets
aside the prevalent attitude among the two schools is not well taken. My
question, to
you, would be, what is your understanding of the Shia faith? Do you endorse
what
you have shared on the web? If no, then why do you feel it necessary to
share with us what you deem in-appropriate. If yes, then, it speaks of the
lack
of scholarship! It speaks of others matters as well and sheds light on the
ignorance that the complier of the work has for Shia beliefs!
If you say that it is done so to create awareness among the readers how
the two schools consider of one another, then be patient and let me take
the burden of proof.
If you do not beleive in the truthfulness of the material then why is it
being shared with us? If you wish to say that: This is what your scholars
hold of
in opinion, then I will say: Have you read or picked any shia work to
acquaint yourself with their beleifs. Then what difference is there in
those who have no knowledge and those who share it with us?
The Shia and the Sunnis have gone a step ahead, if you are aware , that
there was a conference held in Iran on Shia and Sunni Unity. Certainly, me
speaking
from a Shia point of view amounts to 'begging the question', and for the
sake of
portraying the readers with how they hold one another, refer to the "FATWA"
of Sheikh
Shaltut from al Azhar:
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IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, THE BENEFICENT, THE MERCIFUL
Text of the Verdict (Fatwa) Issued by His Excellency
Shaikh al-Akbar Mahmood Shaltoot,
Head of the al-Azhar University,
on Permissibility of Following "al-Shia al-Imamiyyah"
School of Thought
His Excellency was asked:
Some believe that, for a Muslim to have religiously correct worship and
dealing, it is necessary to follow one of the four known schools of
thought, whereas, "al-Shia al-Imamiyyah" school of thought is not one of
them nor "al-Shia al-Zaidiyah." Do your Excellency agree with this opinion,
and prohibit following "al-Shia al-Imamiyyah al-Ithna Ashariyyah" school of
thought, for example?
His Excellency replied:
1) Islam does not require a Muslim to follow a particular madh'hab (school
of thought). Rather, we say: every Muslim has the right to follow one of
the schools of thought which has been correctly narrated and its verdicts
have been compiled in its books. And, everyone who is following such
madhahib [schools of thought] can transfer to another school, and there
shall be no crime on him for doing so.
2) The Ja'fari school of thought, which is also known as "al-Shia al-
Imamiyyah al-Ithna Ashariyyah" (i.e., The Twelver Imami Shi'ites) is a
school of thought that is religiously correct to follow in worship as are
other Sunni schools of thought.
Muslims must know this, and ought to refrain from unjust prejudice to any
particular school of thought, since the religion of Allah and His Divine
Law (Shari'a) was never restricted to a particular school of thought. Their
jurists (Mujtahidoon) are accepted by Almighty Allah, and it is permissible
to the "non-Mujtahid"
* The error of the opponents of Islam lies in a misconception of the attributes
of the Divine Being. They think that a revealed law should, on no account and under no
circumstances whatsoever, enjoin a resistance of evil or the punishment of evil-doers, and
that Divine love and mercy should not be manifested except in thc form of meekness. With
them the most reverential attitude towards God consists in limiting His perfect attributes
to humbleness and lowliness. This is a serious error. Anyone who can think for himself
will see that the Divine laws of Nature, though they are a mercy for mankind, are not
always manifested in a mild and gentle form. The Divine Physician out of His infinite
mercy, gives us sometimes sweet syrup to drink and, out of His mercy too, administers a
bitter dose on other occasions. Both are manifestations of His mercy. Thus it is His mercy
which requires that the wicked should be destroyed when He sees that they aim at the
extirpation of the righteous and act corruptly on the earth and shed innocent blood. For
this purpose, He sends punishment upon the wicked either from earth or from heaven, for He
is as Wise as He is Merciful. A work un-paralled and par excellence in their scholarly approach
to the exchange of letters.
I have always made a point to read of the resources of your school to gain
and understanding, and I can only invite and heed the same for you. The
choice
is yours.
Bidding you and the reader a day filled with Allahs rememberance
Abbas
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